Welcome to the Darkfever Discussion!
November 18, 2010 
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Welcome to the Darkfever Discussion
The first part of this post is where we include the important facts/clues that we learned in Darkfever. A lot of this book is introducing us to the Fae world, getting to know the three main players – Mac, Jericho Barrons, and V’Lane, and giving us get a taste of how evil some of the Fae can truly be. As we go further along in the books, a lot more questions and theories will be addressed.
We are pretending we have only read Darkfever. Yes, some of the issues below have already been answered in a subsequent book, but we are keeping those answers held back until that particular discussion for those that are reading this series for the first time.
Note: Direct quotes from the book are in italics.
Fae Facts:
- “Fae: a.k.a. the Tuatha Dé Danaan. Divided into two courts: the Seelie or Light Court, and the Unseelie or Dark Court. Both courts have different castes of Fae, with the four royal houses occupying the highest caste of each. The Seelie Queen and her chosen consort rule the Light Court. The Unseelie King and his current concubine govern the Dark.”
- Aoibheal, the Seelie Queen of the Light is no longer in charge and no one knows where she is.
- V’Lane is one of the Seelie princes, and the Queen (at some point) asks V’lane to use Mac to help find the Sinsar Dubh.
- “After an eternity of confinement, some of the lower-caste Unseelie have begun escaping their prison. Despite our efforts to isolate the weakness in the fabric of our realms, we have not been able to determine how they are breaking free.”
- The Fae have eight relics: Four Light – Stone, the Spear, the Sword, and the Cauldron. (Barrons and Mac have only the spear)
- Four dark – Mirror, Box, Amulet and the Book (Sinar Dubh).
- Unseelie are hunting for the Sinar Dubh as well, under someone named The Lord Master (Confirmed as Darroc from her Highlander books)
- Barrons already has one of four stones, Mac steals another from Malluce. It makes a noise, when all four get together they will sing a “Song of Making” – This will reveal text of sinsar dubh. In “an accomplished druid’s hands” one of the stones can reveal part of the text.
- Spear is one of two weapons known to kill Fae – any Fae, no matter the caste – except the shades. Mac has no defense against shades except the light.
Mac Facts:
- Mac is a sidhe-seer (she can see through fae glamor and she can sense the sinar dubh) She is a Null (can freeze fae for a short period of time) and she can sense OOPs (Objects of power)
- Old lady refers to her as an O’Conner, Mac questions her biological parents
- Seelie/Unseelie are unable to detect their own objects of power – Mac can detect them, making her very useful to everyone
- V’lane offers Mac the Cuff of Cruce – permits shield from Unseelie – Mac won’t take it because she knows it comes with a price
- At end of the book, Mac detects Sinsar Dubh traveling in a car.
Barrons Facts (aka: What is Barrons?):
- Barrons makes Mac get the spear (Seelie item) he won’t touch it. Can he touch it? We don’t know yet.
- Twice Barrons jumps down from a very high place without getting hurt. Won’t answer to Mac when she confronts him about it.
- “The truth is, your world is going to hell in a hand basket, Barrons had said. Recalling his words, I caught something in them I’d missed before. He’d said “your” world. Not “our” world. Mine. Was it not his world also?
- Mac sees him walk at night among the Shades, and they ignore him. They eat everyone else.
Miscellaneous Facts:
- Lord Master is not Fae. He is bringing Unseelie in through a gate.
- Quote from the Gray Man: “The Lord Master is back, you stupid bitch, and he’s going to do the same thing to you he did to the last pretty little sidhe-seer. You’ll wish you’d died at my hands. You’ll beg for death the same way she did.”
- “I told you she would come, Mallucé,” said the Lord Master. “We will use her to finish what her sister began.” (<–What exactly did her sister begin?)
- Fiona, Barrons’ assistant in the bookstore is privy to Fae information.
Barrons Quotes That Make Us Do a Dirty Swoon:
- “He wasn’t handsome. That was too calm a word. He was intensely masculine. He was sexual. He attracted” (Mandi falls down dead)<—Sophia kicks Mandi to the curb to snuggle up with Barrons.
- “His gaze flicked to my chest and stayed there a moment. When he returned his attention to the box, I caught my breath and stared blankly at the top of his dark head. Barrons had just given me the most carnal, sexually charged, hungry look I’d ever seen in my life, and I was pretty sure he didn’t even know he’d done it.”
- “Sometimes Ms. Lane one must break with one’s past to embrace one’s future. It’s never an easy thing to do. it is one of the distinguishing characteristics between survivors and victims. Letting go of what was, to survive what is.”
- “His fingers were light as butterflies on my battered cheek and he was speaking softly, but it wasn’t in English. It sounded like one of those dead languages they use in the kind of movies I used to channel-surf through quickly – and now regret not having watched at least one or two because I probably would have been a whole lot better prepared for all of this if I had. I think he kissed me then. It wasn’t like any kiss I’d ever felt before.”
“Take off your panties” V’Lane Recap:
- “It is what I am. I am every erotic dream you’ve ever had and a thousand more you’ve never thought of. I am sex that will turn you inside out and burn you down to ashes.” It smiled. “And if I choose, I can make you whole again.”
- “There is no protection against one such as I, sidhe-seer. We of the royal house affect humans in this manner. There is nothing that can be done to prevent it.” One day I would know that for the lie it was. But not before I’d been burned by the truth in it.
Mac Meter – Her progression from Rainbow Girl to Savage Mac
Mac starts off very – girly. Long blonde hair, painted nails, and wears pink as much as possible. Barrons refers to her as “Rainbow Girl”. By the end of Darkfever, she is “Savage Mac.” – black hair, black clothes, curses, and has experienced things that would be unimaginable to Rainbow Girl. Here, we will track her progression.
By page 130, Mac dyes her blonde hair black, and chops off her hair so the Gray Man won’t recognize her.
Later…
- Barrons wasn’t turning out to be a good influence on me at all. In a single night he’d gotten me to dress like a floozy, burgle like a common thief, and now he had me cussing like a sailor as I seconded his opinion. “Fuck,” I exclaimed.
- I’d lived through yet another Dublin night and that, in and of itself, was swift becoming cause for celebration in my badly warped little world.
- One day I would stop taking off my clothes in V’lane’s presence, but the cost of that resistance would be a piece of my soul.
And to end the book
- Gone was the energetic step that had bounced so prettily on air. Mac 2.0 strode with determination and focus on feet that were rooted firmly to the ground.
Mac Meter (1-Rainbow Girl, 10-Savage Mac) Score: 3
Notes from Spell of the Highlander (final book in KMM’s Highlander series)
Towards the end of the final Highlander book, KMM foreshadows events in her Fever series. There are probably more clues than this, but here are the big ones stated in the final pages of Spell of the Highlander:
- Seven times now she’d (Queen Aoibheal) prevented the extinction of the purest and most potent of the Druid lines. And positioned the five most powerful druids that had ever lived precisely where she wanted them. Where they could ally her.
The Five:
There was Dageus (The Dark Highlander), possessing far more knowledge of the Draghar, the thirteen ancients. The memories she’d left in him were doing things to him that he wasn’t admitting, Not to Drustan, not to his mate.
There was Cian (Spell of the Highlander), possessing far more power than any one Druid should have: the genetic fluke, the unexpected mutation born once in a bloodline. The things Dagues and Cian could do together if they put their minds to it worried even her.
Then there was Drustan (Kiss of the Highlander). Drustan MacKelter was that unique kind of man whose named lived forever in legends of men- a warrior so pure of heart that he was beyond corrupting. A man who would die for his beliefs, not just once but ten thousand times over if necessary.
As for her other two chosen, she would be seeing them soon. (<—WHO?!?)
Also: Adam Black (The Immortal Highlander) tells Gabby the torques he wears are a symbol of the royal houses. Barron’s torque is silver and black. Coincidence?
Discussion Time:
We don’t want to get into the nitty gritty speculating yet, because there are so many more developments in the next three books and we don’t want to spoil it for those that have only read book one. As we go through each book, we will have more theory related questions.
What were your first impressions when you met Mac and Barrons. Were you drawn to them from the start? Did Mac’s innocent/naive vibe appeal to you? Was Barron’s intensity and the cloud of mystery surrounding him aggravating or sexy?
Do you think Barrons didn’t touch the spear on purpose?
Why is Fiona privy to all Fae/Barrons information? We assume she is mortal due to her age, but what is up with her?
Mac finds JR scratched into wall near where Alina died. She thinks it means Junior (what Alina used to call her) . What if she meant JB (Jericho Barrons)? Alina alludes she has been betrayed TWICE.
Who are the other two powerful druids the Queen is referring to above?
Did we miss anything? Any other thoughts before we head off to Bloodfever (the book we like to call – the book with the cave scene)
Remember, in fairness to those that have not yet read the rest of the series, we are going to try to limit our discussion to events that took place in Darkfever only.
A very special thank you to Mandi for taking our unruly spreadsheet full of notes, quotes and thoughts and forming it into a coherent, thoughtful post.
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*munching on a donut* Lets all ask our fav questions….WTH is Barrons? I think he's a druid.
I didn't pay attention to the Barrons falling from up high thingy the first time I read the book, but this time I did. The not touching of the spear thing set off alarms in my head as well. Barrons is also out at night mostly. Do you think that factors into anything? I think there was only 1 scene where he was out during the daytime.
I definitely think he is a druid, but I think he is other things too..from this book we only know he can walk among the shades – big clue. We only see him at night. And he can somehow come down from high places (fly?). Hmmmmmmmm…..
Barrons saying to Mac "Your world" was also bizzaro.
I think Barrons dates back to the beginning. His humanity, if he had any, is all learned and buried deep.
I loved it when Barrons called out "Mac!" when she got hurt. I loved that she wanted him to call her that.
When he says "Mac" that is your first glimpse (beside the boob staring) that something deeper than just his "OOP" detector is happening. Also when he give her the manicure at the end….TOTALLY shocked me the first time I read it.
Do you guys think that Barron took Mac's pictures of Alina? I can't remember if they show up in the other books.
I don't think he did. Not sure why because all evidence points to him.
Barrons saying "Mac" is our first glimpse into his feelings of what may be more than just using Mac as an "OOP" detector. That and the manicure which SHOCKED me the first time I read it
I can't remember about the pictures…is it brought up again in later books?
Mandi – He also kissed her when she was passing out. At that point we know he was starting to feel for her.
Tori – Are you munching on a Maple Bacon donut? lol
Yes I am.
I want to say that even though some have bashed our rainbow princess I think she's fab. I give huge kudos to anyone who can cross the Atlantic to another country where they know NO ONE and start a murder investigation on their own.
I was wondering at the beginning if I could connect to mac, she such a girly girl but with each chapter she surprised me more and more. How she deals with her first sidhe-seer vision/encounter with an Unseelie but also her quirky humor and fighter spirit got more to the forefront as the story progressed. I definitely had to get to know her but at the end I loved her as a heroine.
Now Barrons, oh man, his introduction in the story got all my bells and whistles going. I noticed his sexiness but it was the air of mystery around him that bot agravated and tiltilated me. I'm curious by nature and he is so evasive in his answers *argh* Frustrating, but of the good kind. I think KMM really did a great job to give us such intriguing main characters with many layers to dig through!
Perhaps Barrons is one of those two powerful druids, I don't know. He comes across as something ancient, I even sported the thought he may be of a Royal Unseelie line. I think KMM is so going to surprise us with his origin.
I have to join in on this discussion! This is the first book by KMM that I have ever read and I just finished it a couple of days ago.
I loved Barrons from the start, but couldn't stand Mac at first. I really don't get along with the barbi doll types. Since I haven't read any other of KMM's books, I haven't a clue what Barrons is, but that doesn't stop me from swooning over him! lol
Tori, what you say makes sense – he's been since the beginning of time. He reminds me of Raphael (From Nalini's Angel series) in that way because he appears cold and unfeeling. Yet he has this unexpected tender side for Mac. I think he's surprised that she is so passionate about finding out what happened to her sister.
And I liked Mac right from the start, pink Barbie polish and all.
Mandi-Tori-Bells-Yes, those pics are brought up in future books.
I think Barrons is Druid-ish based on other clues from the Highlander books. But he's more powerful and dabbles in other 'arts'. Yeah, I'm in the know LOL.
I love the little touches of affection we see only occasionally like Barrons calling her by Mac or the kiss he may or may not have given.
Stacy–I'm glad to hear you say that about Barrons and Raphael. I'm reading Archangels Blood and having trouble warming up to Raphael. There's hope? LOL
For all we know, Barrons is some hybrid superhero that will only be revealed in the end. A Heinz 57 version of the supernatural.
Theresa & Leontine–I've heard a lot of people say they didn't care for Mac at first. Is it because of her girlie-ness? I guess because I knew she was the heroine I knew that wouldn't last. It never does in UF LOL.
Sophie, he's SO old he's ageless, and after a time, any humanity he had is gone. Yet he still has this powerful pull to Elena that he cannot deny. So far I've only read the first book, so I don't know if he softens, but I liked that he wasn't a creampuff of an Archangel.
That being said, off to work. Hope to make it back….
Stacy~ said…
For all we know, Barrons is some hybrid superhero that will only be revealed in the end. A Heinz 57 version of the supernatural.
The superhero of all superheroes!! LOL
OooO a "hybrid hero". lol Barrons may be one of the 5 that Aoibheal was talking about. Now to figure out who the other is. Alot say Adam Black but that's not possible.
LOL..it looks like I'm the first noob reader to jump into the discussion. Here's are some of my answers to the questions:
As FV, Smexy and Julie know, I was not a fan of Mac until waaay into the book. I actually wasn't convinced about Barrons either until much later. How many times does something have to try to kill you before you stop living in denial. And yes, I know, Barrons is all sexy and stuff but, I didn't like that he assaulted Mac at the beginning.
I hadn't thought about the whole not touching the spear thing until just now.
Oh that Fiona. Maybe she's been around Barrons for a while so he trusts her with Fae info?
I missed the fact that Alina alludes to being betrayed twice. To be honest, I thought Barrons was Mac's sister's boyfriend up until the moment Mac reveals that he's not.
I thought Barrons was some sort of vamp (the whole only going out at night and dropping from great heights thing) but, I'm thinking he's maybe a Druid now. Maybe Mac's the other? Maybe some sort of druid/sidhe-seer hybrid type thing?
Wow…talk about babbling… =/
FV- it's totally because of her girlie-ness. I'm not like that AT ALL and I just wasn't sure how to take her at first.
*waving* I have some reading to catch up on whew! I wish I had the whole series sitting in front me me right now LOL…since I didnt care for the first book as a whole…but was interested eough to keep reading. AND held at gunpoint from certain ladies…
I didn't love Mac either the first time I read DF. She was so naive and immature in my opinion. I have grown to love her and I think as you read further, you understand more that she had to be presented that way…but I agree I was turned off at first.
I always fall for a more dark and dangerous hero and Barrons fit that for me right off the bat.
@Jen D – Barrons very well could be a vamp/vamp + something else? Maybe that is why he can walk among the shades? Is that why he was able to defeat Malluce? Or why he is able to jump up/down from various places? I really need to know! LOL
Jen D–Oh what if Barrons is a Vamp? Only going out at night, he told Fiona he could find others to 'serve' his needs, he drops from high places doesn't get hurt. He's doubtful or has knowledge about Malluce being a real vampire….hmmmm taps chin.
Nikki – books 3 and 4 especially have a much darker tone…it takes a while to get there…
One thing that confuses me. Do they or do they not allude to Mac being the last seer? If so, that isn't right. Or maybe I read that wrong.
Mandi–I'm feeling the vamp theory. LOL
@FV and Jen – OOH.."serving his needs" I always took that as Barrons was having sex with Fiona..but what if she is offering blood??
Tori–I don't recall anyone saying she was the seer.
The manicure scene was definitely one of my favorites. I also really loved the fight scene where Mac flips the switch. Awe to the some.
I totally thought Barrons was a vamp right off the bat…
Oh my… *fans herself*
If Barrons is a vamp, that totally seals the deal for me! I can't resist a dark, sexy vamp! lol
Does Mac actually ever see Alina's body – in person? When she ID's her – that is before Mac goes to Ireland…right?
@FV & Smexy: LOL! Woohoo I'm on to something! And I hadn't given much thought to the 'needs' line until you mentioned it. Hmmm..he's got some sort of supernatural something going on. No one drops down from a rafter and doesn't break both his legs. I don't think the fae have that kind of power do they?
I don't feel the vamp theory.
Tori–I don't recall anyone saying she was the seer.
Mac is a sidhe seer. But I thought they say she is the last one. Maybe I'm wrong. "cause she's not the only one out there.
I guess I'm jumping in late on this one…
Leontine, maybe it is because I haven't read KMMs Highlander series, but I always thought he might be part Royal or something, too. Who knows maybe he is a fae/druid mix if that is possible. I have a feeling KMM is going to do a bit of surprise with that one.
I always liked Mac from the start – I think her Rainbow Girl transition to Mac 2.0 is the reason I like her so much.
Barrons was suspect at first – but then he has a way of worming in…
I think because he wouldn't touch the spear he was either trying to confuse and distract Mac, or he might have a bit of Fae in him or something.
@Mandi: I think she does see Alina's body. At least that's the way I interpreted it.
Jenn D–Yes that manicure scene was awesome!!
nikkibrandyberry & Theresa–I never thought of Barrons as a vamp until now. It kind of makes sense. Who know?
Mandi–I think she ID's Alina's body through pics. So are you thinking Alina could still be alive?
I'm here, I'm here!
I never minded Mac. I thought her transition from Rainbow Girl (*tear*) to Kick Ass Chick is important to the story and makes her more real. For her to just show up and be all "if you don't tell me what you know I'll go crazy on your a**" would have made her really unrelatable. She's in a far away place in a strange situation and of course she is going to try to hang on to her 'old' life and comforts until she just can't anymore.
As for Barrons… The moment he says his name I'm a gonner. Holy Frickin' Cow he makes my knees crumble. And even more this time around than the first time I read it. I remember thinking there was a possibility that he was a Vampire when I read it the first time around. Now…I'm not sure. But I never considered his being a Druid. That's an interesting idea. And I love what you are saying about him being so ancient that he's lost most of his humanity. That makes the tender moments with Mac even more *swoon* worthy. OMG I LOVE BARRONS!
What an amazing post! Wow. You ladies sure compiled some great quotes and insights for this first book. I have so much to say.. but am afraid the words in my mind are flying around faster than I can articulate in a comment.
First, I have to say that I read DARKFEVER the first time way back in August 2007 and back then thought it was just okay. I have some theories about why I thought that back then.. but that's for another disucssion.. for now I will say that I just re-read DARKFEVER over the weekend and OMG! I LOVED IT! I could barely put the book down and as soon as I finished it, I was torn between writing a review and just picking up BLOODFEVER. Needless to say, I have about 100 pages maybe to go to finish BLOODFEVER. LOL. I am at the cusp of the cave scene by the way.. Mac just got there.
Second, I remember now part of the reason that I delayed picking up the subsequent books after reading DARKFEVER and that was because I wanted to read the Highlander books first so I could pick up on these other clues from that series! The info you provided is fascinating really… Do you all think I should stop after BLOODFEVER and go read the Highlander books before picking up FAEFEVER?
Third, I love Mac. The first time reading DARKFEVER, not so much. I thought she was too immature and too … pink and fluffy. But this time… I liked her A TON. I think she is still naive in this book… but she her love for her sister is so deep and her death was–IS– so devastating to her, that I can now acknowledge or appreciate how that alone was enough to give Mac the determination to toughen up as much as she could to DO SOMETHING to honor Alina and their bond.
Third, the Mac Meter is great! I agree with the score of 3 at the end of DARKFEVER. Not that anyone asked. LOL.
Fourth, I think Barrons' intensity and cloud of mystery is both aggravating and sexy. Imagine how boring he and this whole story arc would be if he was upfront? Not only that, but the dynamic between Mac and Barrons is so complex and interesting… their relationship is really, really well written, IMHO.
I didn't even think that maybe Alina meant to write JB in the cobblestone and not JR! *gasp!*
Fifth, a Maple Bacon donut? For real?
Sorry Tori– that was me trying to type too fast. I need to take kids to school. I dont' remember anyone saying Mac was the last sidhe seer though.
I don't know about the vampire thing. I think there would be more references to hunger or things like that if he turns out to be a vampire.
I know she see's either pics or the body itself because she talks to inspector abt the bite marks. I do not think Alina is alive.
I think Fiona has been with Barrons for a long, long time. A lot of humans who have some magical heritage are. IE: The MacKelters. Remember, in Fae time can be manipulated. What if Barrons could take Fiona there an in essence slow down her aging.
PJ- you may be right about the vamp thing… I remember thinking at one point in the book that he might be part Fae, though.
Parajunkee…I love that Mac rebels and wears that rainbow outfit out with Barrons that one night..LOL. She has spunk!
I think once we get into future books…the discussion of what Barrons is will take a turn. That's all I'm sayin' for now:)
I said I thought he was a vampire after I read this book the first time but my mind become not as convinced as the series continues. That's all I'm saying about that.
@Smexy: *shakes fist* Like waving a carrot in front of a horse…now I have to tear into the next books to see where the Barrons discussion goes!
Christine- The highlander books can be read anytime. They give little clues but you honestly don't pick them up UNLESS you've read the fae series. if that makes sense. lol
Mandi-do you know how HARD it is not to spill beans here. *sigh* I need another donut.
Christine- I enjoyed DF MUCH better in a Reread too…I wonder why that is??
I think 3 is appropriate..yes?
by the end she realized old dark clothes are best for keeping unseelie guts off of u!
The highlander books don't hold a TON of clues…if u do read them, I only read books 4-7 in the series..those are the ones that have the above mentioned characters in them. For anything- they are really fun reads…. I read them after Faefever as I waited for Dreamfever.
Mandi – I'm up to Dream so yeah, I have to bite my tongue about what I think. But the part fae thinking started in Dark…
JenD- honestly, after bk 4, "what" Barrons is is still a HUGE mystery. It kills me not to know. You do get more clues though:)
Mandi & Christine–I liked DF better in re-read too. I think because we know the potential of the series and are picking up more clues in the first book because of it?
PJ- yeah…we can get into huge discussion about Barrons in the Dreamfever chat;)
I hope I'm not home when the FedEx guy delivers my books. I may pounce on him to get to the books faster.
I can see how the signs surrounding Barrons could lead to him being a vamp could fit in to the whole but it doesn't hold my preference *ducks away*
Did anyone else want to scoure Barrons Books And Baubles? Wasn't it referred to that there are three floors down of space only Barrons could access? What does he need all that room for?
I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm very confused and will probably still be confused after reading Shadowfever!
Leo—all his secrets of course!
Shadowfever release in New Orleans…I'll have a party at my house! woot woot
The Barrons-vampire theory is interesting, but if he is some kind of vampire, I think that might only be part of what he is. Wouldn't he have noticeable fangs? I'm more of the opinion that he is a complex mix of different entities (Fae, Druid, vampire…) or something entirely unique. Is it too far fetched to throw fallen angel into the mix? Or some kind of heavenly servant/savior type? I mean.. he wants to prevent the Unseelies from taking over Earth and killing humans, right? Just thinking out loud. ..
Tori.. I believe I own all the Highlander books at this point. My TBR was lonely without them.
Ok-Mac's adaption revolution. Do you think her parent's KNOW what she is? Who her mother is? Could it have been an in family adoption?
Sitting here talking about this books reminds me of how many awesome things are to come!! *dying*
How did we feel about Barrons killing off the boxer dude and all his friends by letting the Shades eat them?
That was pretty brutal
AND – the talk Barrons and Mac have without saying any words – just by staring at each other -LOVE!!!!!
Mandi – I love how they can sit any have a convo just by staring at each other as well! I also love it when he yells at her. He's so sexy. Now if my hubs was to yell at me like that, I would have a problem.
@Christine: I guess I could buy into the heavenly servant/savior thing seeing as how the cover model for Shadowfever has wings on their back.
Never mind what I said above about Barrons wanting to stop the Unseelies. We only know he wants the book… nothing else. He's so vague. ARggh!
Bells – their wordless convos throughout the series are some of my favorite moments
'tis why Barrons makes an excellent fictional boyfriend. In real life – I don't think so. LOL!
@Gigi: I don't know why but, I think her Mom may know something.
@Mandi: I thought the way Barrons' offed the boxer and his crew was brutal. Well played but, pretty brutal.
Yes, but WHY does he want the book? WHY can he walk among the evil shades?
AND V'Lane – we haven't even talked about him.
I'm a fan of the silent convos too. I love how intimate and intense it is.
Good point Mandi. All I can think of when you say V'lane is that damn pearl scene in the museum. *blush*
Mandi – his actions towards the boxer dude and his crew was necessary…but yes, brutal. Hopefully Shades kill quickly.
And I had actually forgotten about Mac and Barrons' wordless conversations. *swoon*
Can we talk about V'lane? What side of the fence are we on? I like him but he's a question mark. Then again, when it comes to this series, what isn't. lol I think he means well and is very duty bound.
LOL Mandi – I guess I was typing my comment while you typed yours and you hit enter first (about V'lane..)
I always suspected Barrons was of the Fae. Never considered him a vampire. I might be confusing another series with KMM's Hghlander series, but aren't some of the Fae blood drinkers (particularly during sex)?
Jen D. – GAH! The Pearls!
@Bells – LOL! I know. I'll never look at pearls the same again.
@Julie – I'm still on the fence about him. I don't really trust him. I think Mandi said Alina was betrayed twice. What if he's one of the people that betrayed her?
I just love Mac's title for the kind of Fae V'Lane is: Death-by-sex Fae *grin*
I also wondered since quote blogpost: V’Lane is one of the Seelie princes, and the Queen (at some point) asks V’lane to use Mac to help find the Sinsar Dubh.
Did she ask before she went poof or is she somehow still able to pull strings?
The first time I read about the pearls I was still relatively new to reading romance/UF so I thought it was a little…whoa. Now, I thought it was really WHOA but in a much better sense! lol
V'Lane really reminded my of Adam Black…he also has a tale where he walked on the beach of california and everyone got hot and bothered just to be in his presence
This 'betrayed twice', I never paid that much attention to it while reading but now you guys have got me really thinking about it. Boyfriend is one. Two is ??? Yet another question…
Eva – I don't ever remember a reference to her Fae drinking blood…
Oh V'lane…so naughty. I love the pearl scene…and at the end Barrons says he knew Mac talked to V'lane because Barrons talked to V'lane….
oooooh….
I personally think V'Lane is kind of creepy.
It's not his fault, I guess. He is what he is…
When Barron admitted he talked to Vlane my jaw dropped. I did not see that coming.
I've always suspected Barron's was some sort of Fae Royalty. Never thought about vamp angle. Hmm…
As far as Mac, I think her growth is what makes her so likable, even if you didn't like her from the start. Most women can relate to the growth we, ourselves go through in our 20's. Girls becoming women.
Enjoying this discussion, but just gets me wanting January to get here faster!!!
Jen D- me too! Had no idea that Barrons had any connection to V'lane at all, and to find out that V'lane had told him about seeing Mac? Wowsa!
Karen – That's what I was trying to say about Mac but you just said it so much more eloquently than me! lol And January can't get here fast enough!
V'lane creeps me out in a way too..but that Cuff of Cruce –
Is Mac smart for refusing it? Or stupid for putting herself in harm's way of the fae?
Of course..she does have the spear now. (I love the scene where Barrons teaches her to use it for the first time)
Karen and Julie – DITTO!
Theresa – Wowsa's right!
I thought it was funny that Mac thought she had one on him and then – BAM – he comes back with the V'lane thing.
Refusing the Cuff of Cruce was probably the first thing Mac did that started restoring my faith in her. V'lane seems like the last guy I would want to be indebted to.
Mandi you're right about the scene where Barrons shows Mac how to fight with the spear for the first time. It's one of the laugh out loud moments of the book!
The Cuff of Cruce is tempting but I like how Mac already knew that it may not be as easy as it seemed to just accept it. I don't remember…do we see it again in future books?
Christine: I read through all the Fever books, then read the Highlander series. I found it helpful because I knew what parts were clues. If I would have read them first, I think I would have not caught many of them.
Mandi/Julie – Are you talking about when she gets stuck in the air because the fae's holding on to her hair?
I also think "Old Lady" is more than she seems. Possibly other betrayer?
Jen – Yes, that would be the funny part.
And you got it right. Mac thinks she's one up on Barrons but she ends up SO not. Barrons knows all…
Yes..when unseelie has her by the hair
Karen- she definitely knows more about the fae and sidhe-seers than Mac!
I laughed out loud too. I would totally love to see that played out on the big screen. It also kind of reminded me of something that would happen in a Buffy episode.
Ok I didn't get to read all the comments so it might have been mentioned but I'm wondering if Alina meant being shunned by her 'family' (sidhe seers) one betrayal, and then her boyfriend as the second betrayal?
I agree Karen. I really disliked that she didn't help Mac at the museum. I kind of get the reasoning but, still…she could've thrown something at him to distract him so Mac could get away.
I think that Barrons and V'Lane have a lot of history-maybe an Unseelie/Seelie history???
I like V'Lane. lol He's just so Fae.
The old lady just seems to hate Mac on sight.
Fiction Vixen : Yes, that's what I think. At every turn, the old lady does nothing that would really benefit Mac. I believe she denies knowing Alina, but I don't trust her.I think you can take everything she says to Mac and shove it up her Petunia!LOL
Tori–what I like about the characters in this book (series) is it's so hard to know if you can trust the hero(es). Is v'lane good, bad, in-between?
FV- Your right. I think good and evil are relative here-just various shades of gray.
Thanks for the opinions on reading the Highlander series in the midst of this. I may try to stick them in between Bloodfever and Faefever, but I can already tell it's going to be very difficult to stop between Fever books when I have them in the wings already.
I agree, Fiction Vixen! It's the shades of gray with Barrons and V'Lane that makes their characters that much more interesting. If we knew whose agenda was pure… it wouldn't be as intense or nerve-wracking and we all know how we love how stories like these drive us crazy!
Oh I wish I wasn't at work, I would have more time to chat.
Just wanted to stop by and say that:
1. I loved Mac's transformation, and while I scoffed at all her pinkness in the begininng, I found that aspect made her that much more of a badass!
2. I never even thought of Barrons as a vamp. I always assumed he was some kind of Fae.
3. V'lane both intrigues me and creeps me out. I'm very on the fense about him.
4. Must finish my re-read of this one, because reading all these comments made me realize just how much I either missed or forgot since the first time around!!
Thanks so much Sophie, Mandi, and Tori for putting this together!!
NOOOOOOOOO now my Fever obsession is ignited *again*
I still think Barrons is the beast
And I still am hoping for an Epilogue where Barrons and Mac have 2.5 kids.
…. in a house with a pink picket fence?
Man! What kind of Kmart doesn't have Bloodfever?? Damn! I couldn't wait and had to run up there to see, but failed in scoring a copy.
KC–"NOOOOOOOOO now my Fever obsession is ignited *again* "
I know, mine too. I was so excited about SF after re-reading DF. I'm on to BF ASAP. Did that make sense? lol
Nicole–I'm not totally convinced Barrons is a Vamp. There are many clues to his nature throughout the series but after re-reading this first book, I felt lead that way. I hope he's not. I want some kind of crazy, hybrid, superhero dude like we discussed earlier. LOL
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Theresa – that is really depressing!
Am I back?
Squuee!! Mac getting suspended in air by hair was hilarious!
I know, right? Maybe Walmart will have it, but I don't feel like running back out right now.
btw- totally agree about the scene with mac hanging from her hair… could almost envision Barron's smirk
Yay! You're back Tori!! YES, picturing Mac dangling by her hair arguing with Barrons was great!
Theresa–Walmart will have it. They have to right? Maybe Target?
I live in a tiny town with a population of about 5,000 so my choices are Kmart, Walmart, the used book store (already checked there), and a TINY bookstore downtown.
Theresa-our Walmart & Target have it.
Are kmart never has anything.
Gigi- I'll get it at walmart later then. Kmart here has all of the new books, but not many of the older ones, which really sucks for me since I'm just starting some of the best series. I would order it online but I'm too damn impatient. LOL
Wow…you're Wal-Marts sound cool! The ones we have up here only carry the 'biggest' books…and that usually only consists of the Twilight books, the Mortal Instruments books, a couple Stephen King books and some Rachel Ray stuff! lol Kmart died here a while ago…and we've already had the "I don't know what a Target store is' conversation.
There is so much info here my brain may explode!
My thoughts on Darkfever as my first ever UF book was wow, awesome. The book made me cry, sigh, swoon and it also made me angry and annoyed.
Barrons is a total byronic hero! I never thought to connect the Highlander series to this but now that you guys have said that it makes total sense now!
I'm going to read Bloodfever this weekend now. I want closure but it sounds like you won't get it til the last book!
I thought Barrons was some dark being like a Vamp or something when I read it. I didn't like him at the start but he soon grew on me. And I really loved the whole dark-side of Barrons though. Am I the only one?
I fell for Mac in an instant the way Moning writes how she changed in the first book made me adore her all that more.
I really enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts on this! Looking forward to the next one guys
I definitely thought to connect the Highlander series to the Fever series. I am with post 5 (Gigi's Consignment Closet), I think Barrons is from the beginning. There is something very old about him. There was also another clue, but it is in the next book. I know I am not the only one who thinks that Adam Black fits in this directly or indirectly right?
There was also a paragraph in Chapter 12. I have it in Ebook format, but it was when they were at Malluce's and him and Barrons had a stand off. This part I am keeping in mind through out.
"Eyes narrowed, I looked back and
forth between them. Something nagged at me, something I couldn’t quite put my finger on. It was a
thing that I would stupidly fail to put my finger on until it was too late.
Before long, I would understand
that nothing had been what it seemed that night, and the reason Barrons had faced-off so coolly with the blood-sucking Master was because he’d gone in with the quiet assurance that, no matter what happened, he would walk out alive, and not because he had Mallucé by the proverbial fiscal balls."
What do you guys think of this?
That paragraph stuck with me too but, I still have no clue what the heck it means.
There is no way Barrons is a vampire or werewolf. It is very anticlimactic, mediocre and a cop out. Think about it, to wait 5 books to find out that he is a vampire/werewolf is just wrong. Also look at Moning's other work, the Highlander series. All the lead men characters are connected in one way or another to Scottish or Irish mythology. So I am for like the Druid King
LOL…well I know who's going to be beyond pissed if Barrons turns out to be a vamp.
To Jen D: Is it possible that Barrons is playing puppetmaster? I have read at Moning's forum about Barrons attitude at times. Like in Chapter 15, where it says: "I got the sudden, weirdest impression that ninety-nine percent of
Jericho Barrons was currently focused somewhere else, and being nearly used up, leaving only one percent of him here and now, in this room, paying attention
to O’Bannion."
Me and others believe that Barrons could be more than one person and maybe has the ability to control things we don't realize? What do you think?
I'm with you @Offbeat Vagabond! I think he's the Fae's version of Sherrilyn Kenyon's Acheron – powerful with god-like abilities.
Offbeat – that sentence kills me too..what does it elude to? Does it have to do with the fact that Barrons so easily defeats Malluce in the warehouse?? That his strength is above and beyond what Mac expected?
Well, except for the good and kind part.
To Jen D: I will be very pissed if he was a vampire/werewolf. It is just unfair to wait 5 books, having all these suspicions and theories about Barrons and that is what he turns out to be. Really wouldn't be cool
What does it all mean?!?! Honestly, I have no clue. Maybe after reading the other books I'll be able to agree or disagree about the puppet master theory.
@Offbeat Vagabound – I figured as much. I can see you being upset enough that you'd clothesline someone off the top rope.
To Jen D: I like the theory, but I feel there is more than that. What book are you on now?
Um, I'm starting two as soon as the Fed Ex guy delivers it.
To Eva / TXBookjunkie: Oh that is a good point! I do think Barrons has some sort of god-like ability. Man I can't wait until we get to Bloodfever because I believe there was something in there that really turned me to thinking that.
To Mandi: I know. When I first read Darkfever it didn't strike me at the time. Second time around, it struck me. I remember how easily Barrons killed Malluce. It was out of the blue quick. What about Barrons possibly being the Unseelie King? Maybe he is not as bad as we are lead to believe. What other reason could Barrons have to wanting the book?
I think that Barrons discussions should be held off for a future book;)
To Jen D: Oh yeah, that is right. You told me you were waiting for the delivery from Borders. Okay, I hope not to reveal too much then.
To Mandi: I agree. But I think we should talk about V'lane then. Something struck me yesterday when I was chatting with someone on Twitter.
To Jen D: Of course, I would be upset over that. Wouldn't you be? LOL!
@Offbeat Vagabound – No worries! You didn't go all TMI on me. LOL…I'm not as emotionally invested to be that mad…yet.
To Jen D: Oh trust me hon, you will be. I urge you to buy new plates for the house because you will want to throw some against the wall once you finish Dreamfever. LOL!
*makes list… get bloodfever TONIGHT, buy plastic plates*
To Theresa @ TheCreativeWell: LOL! You won't need them for Bloodfever, Dreamfever will drive you over the edge
lol.. better to be safe than sorry, though!
ROFLMAO. Duly noted. Next stop…Target.
Oh what about V'lane? Does anyone think that he maybe more invested in this than he lets on? If anyone has read the newsletters, you know why I ask this. I do like V'lane, even though he acts like an ass sometimes, but I don't know. There must be more for sure. Can't say more until we get to Faefever to say what I really think.
Sorry I'm late. I just finished reading Darkfever so here I am!
Notes from reading your recaps
Yes, Barrons walking freely among the Shades is interesting…
The whole V'Lane thing is hilarious! How Mac would just start taking off her clothes and "get into position". LOL Speaking of V'Lane – we know that he is a prince but he's referred to as an "it" in the book. Is there a reason for that? Maybe one that is explained later on in another book?
Discussion Time
I liked Mac from the start. Yeah, she was innocent and perhaps a little naive and too girlie, but that girl has perseverance. I can't wait to find out Mac's heritage. Barrons was sexy at times and frustrating at others. He hardly answers any questions, only to bring up more questions. Very mysterious.
I didn't even notice that Barrons didn't touch the Spear until now!! But now that you guys mentioned it, yeah, I think he didn't touch it on purpose. He's a man of reason; there is a reason for everything he does.
There's more to Fiona. I am wondering what her role is in this whole "war"…And I wonder if her and Barrons have a past..? I don't think she's mortal. She has to be something…
Hmm, Barrons didn't come to mind when I learned of the message Alina scribbled in cobble stone. But now you have me thinking if I should be questioning Barrons' involvement, if there is involvement on his part…
I haven't a clue as I have not read the Highlander series. Am I missing out on important information by not reading them? Or will I find out all I need to know from you ladies?
I do have one question – What is the meaning behind "fever" being in the title of each book?
I am bookmarking this post for reference
You know what I can't believe I forgot to ask myself and what hasn't really been brought up here yet? WHY DOES BARRONS WANT THE BOOK?!
I hope to read this series in one sitting come January.
But from what I've heard and read, it's not certain Mac may end up with Barrons but maybe sex god elf king dude?
Book Vixen, you reminded me that yes, Sophie, what a fabulous job you did on this post!
I'm skimming comments so I'm sure I missed stuff, but I love that I'm not the only one obsessing on Barrons. I'm also reading the Highlander series, but I just started book 3, which is going reaaalllly slow for me. Can't wait for the later books.
To The Book Vixen: I liked Mac from the beginning too. She didn't annoy me and she had a brain.
I like V'Lane too. But I just got a feeling about him. I think he is referred to as "it" because Fae aren't necessarily human. But that is a good point, There could be more to that. I will keep it in mind.
I think Mac maybe part Fae. In one of the Highlander books, we find that the Fae can have children. Her real father is never mentioned, but maybe there is a reason for that?
The thing with the Shades is very interesting. Barrons is amazing. He may make me scream at times, but it is fine. I love the way he talks too. LOL! But you are so right. He doesn't do anything just to do something. He calculates everything.
There is more about Fiona we find in Dreamfever. It is clear she knows Barrons secrets and Mac's.
I don't think Barrons had anything to do with Alina's death. But I do believe that Rowena knows something. I don't trust that woman. I think she also had something to do with their mother's death. I find it odd how Rowena tried to get rid of Mac when she first met her, but she helps all the other sidhe-seers.
There is not too much of a connection with the Highlander series and the Fever series except the characters.
Not too sure what the Fever is either. Maybe it is the way Barrons makes us feel? LOL/
I've thought about this book thing and if Barrons' is team good guy then I'd imagine that he'd want it to prevent whatever craziness is going to ensue. If he's team bad guy then I'm guessing he wants to accelerate the craziness that's going to ensue.
Ally–This is your first UF? You started with a good one!
You are not the only one that loves Barrons because he is dark. I love that he scares me a little and I don't fully trust him. *shiver*
Julie said… 156
You know what I can't believe I forgot to ask myself and what hasn't really been brought up here yet? WHY DOES BARRONS WANT THE BOOK?!
That's good question Julie. He could want it to save mankind or to destroy it right? We still don't know 100% for sure Barrons is a good guy. Everything is still so up in air. Since we don't want to discuss too much beyond this book yet it's hard to get into the nitty gritty with Barrons.
Book Vixen – I didn't read the highlander books until after Faefever..you are not really missing anything. If you do read them, I rec only reading 4-7 (those pertain more to fever and are just better)
But really there are only very minor clues in them.
@KB – I think the discussion as to whether Barrons and MAC have a HEA is best discussed after Dreamfever…a lot happens….*zips lips*
LOL
(but I'm rooting for them!!!!)
@JenD Nice point. Although he is mysterious, and at times frustrating, in Darkfever ultimately he helps Mac. I guess the question is – does he have good intentions if he ever gets his hands on the book?
For all of you who've read the rest of the books it must be ridiculously hard not to go into more in depth discussions. You all have been amazing at holding back info. Lord knows I wouldn't be able to. Just wanted to say THANKS!
Offbeat Vagabond: I have always had an underlying thought that Barrons is the Unseelie King or somehow tied to him. Agree with your comments.
JenD–Yes before I comment or answer a question I have to stop and think, wait, did that happen yet? LOL. It's fun re-reading this series though and really fun discussing it with people who've read the series and those that haven't.
@JenD – LOL. It is hard..but it also makes me really excited to reread the next one
KarenM–It's really hard speculating about Barrons at this point since we're trying to limit the discussion to Darkfever for those that have not read the rest of the series yet. There is SO much info and clues to Barrons nature coming up in the next few books.
Fiction Vixon: Will there be a Shadowfever discussion in January? Would be cool to talk about whose suspicions were right
I second Karen's motion!
I might have missed it, but is anyone going to NOLA for the Shadowfever release?
Karen–I think we should plan a no holds barred discussion for January. We'd have to put of lots of spoiler warnings for those that have not read it yet. But yes, I really want to discuss this series in full once we've all read the last book. Is it January yet? lol
Stacy-NOLA?
New Orleans, LA.
Yes! We need a discussion post Shadowfever! I hadn't thought of that!!
Stacy – I know Patti (book addict) and Parajunkee are going to NOLA event.
Stacy–Oh duh. LOL Patti(book addict) lives there and I think she is going. I haven't heard of anyone else attending though. It would be fun!
So The Book Vixen asked a good question. Why are the books all called Fever? Anyone know?
Put in some hints to my husband that a NOLA trip in January would be a good Yule gift
Fingers crossed!
I may have to take the day off for a series discussion! LOL
I don't know why "fever" is in titles…I wonder if she ever stated it on her message board.
It might be worth a search around the boards Mandi, I want to know.
I love that I see Tori's shoes first each time I stop by to catch up on comments. Those ARE shoes right? Or did I mistake ANOTHER avi? LOL
Yes, Yes, Yes we need a discussion after Shadowfever. I can't wait to be able to go "Oh, THAT'S what it was all for!" I for one can't wait for the discussion after Dreamfever!
As for the 'fever' in the name thing… That is such a fantastic question that I'm going to email Karen's assistant to see if she can answer. She's nice. Maybe she'll answer since Karen is usually really busy.
Oh Julie–let us know if she answers. Tell her to stop by the discussion!!!
I have only read the first two books so far (just finished Bloodfever a little over an hour ago!), but there is reference to the titles in their respective books so far. If I had them in ebook, I would do a search and tell you what page to look… but alas I'm reading the first three books in paper.
The fever references weren't terribly relevant, IMO, but sort of pertain to Mac's umm… what shall I call it? Her state of mind in that book? Dark fever because she is enlightened to the darkness of the world around her that she was previously oblivious to and know is caught up in. Blood fever because she is out for the blood of her sister's killer with a vengeance.
Christine–yes, I've seen how each book title is connected to each story as far as Dark, Blood etc. but it never occurred to me to wonder why the "Fever". I'm not sure is I believe it refers to Mac's 'state of mind' though. Could be but I'm hoping there's more to it.
Oh, I understand what you mean now.. the specific use of "Fever" and why? Gotcha.
I found the page reference in Bloodfever to dark fever and blood fever on p. 179 of Bloodfever if you want to go back and read it.
Mandi – Thanks for letting me know. I think I will just stick with the Fever series and your guys' wonderful notes
And "a lot happens" in DreamFever?!!!
Christine & FV – I'm kind of hoping there's more to the Fever too.
There was some speculation in earlier comments about Mac possibly being Fae. If that were true, that would defunct her ability to detect Fae objects of power, though… so I don't think she can be part Fae.
Christine – good point about Mac. I guess she can't be part fae…unless she's a super super special fae… Goodness, who knows. lol
Freaking Fascinating. I love this post! Thank you so much for putting it together!
I can't wait to get home and read this post (again) and the comments.
*shakes fist at work*
*shakes fist at Missie's work*
I fell pray to all the "fever" talk on twitter last week and moved Darfever to the top of my TBR. In fact I just finished it over the weekend. There is some stuff mentioned here about Barrons I did not notice (like "your" world, not touching the spear and the JB scratched into the pavement…omg so thought it was for junior. I did take note of his jumping abilites and the thing with the shades. Although not as overwelmed as others (bellie) with the series, I am interested enough to keep reading and am almost done book 2 Bloodfever. Can't wait to read your future posts and find out what other details I missed and things that make me go mmmmmmm?
Hmmm… Never thought about why they were called Fever… maybe the peeps who have read the entire series would have a better guess than me. I've only read the first one.
Walmart didn't have Bloodfever, either. I guess I have to order it online and wait. BOO
The Book Pimp Blog – As the series progresses, we learn so much we also get a ton more questions. Seriously, some of the stuff that happens in bk 3 and 4 just make my mouth hang open;)
Theresa – Well darn! I hope the UPS man comes fast!
LOL Mandi! I'm thinking I'll be buying it in ebook form tomorrow morning. It wouldn't be the first book I read from my desktop!
The Book Pimp Blogs, Alina definitely scratched "JR" in the stone pavement, but some were speculating that maybe Alina was trying to scratch out "JB" when she died and maybe didn't finish making the B…
I think the rest of the series is going to be even more compelling to you once you finish Bloodfever, if you didn't already finish it when you read this!
Christine–YES! The series gets even more compelling as you go. The thing is, even as we get answers, so many more questions come up. I really hope KMM clears it all up in SF.
What a great discussion! Leiha shared the link with me and said you were asking why the word "Fever" was in every title. There's nothing profoundly deeper, other than: those things which change us, carve us tend to begin with an uwelcome, unpleasant reality shift, accompanied by a strong desire to stop what's happening but an inability to escape it. The confusion, persistence and heat of a fever is the perfect metaphor for what Mac endures in each book, each fever increasingly different, and more difficult to escape…
Aha…thanks so much Karen!
We had a great time discussing it!
First…OMG. Ahem. Thanks for stopping by Karen.
Thanks for the explanation on the significance of "Fever" in the titles, Karen! Whether big or small, I love learning new insights like this to a compelling series.
Sophia, Mandi and Tori: Thanks for hosting such a great discussion. I can't wait to talk about Bloodfever in two weeks!